thank goodness you came with an open mind about changing the story because no way in heaven would you have won with that crap. Yes, it was crap. But hopefully you are making it non-crap this friday =)
I think I'm one of the few people who liked your initial pitch the way it was for the most part, and I get what Wren was saying. I think in the end it's a happy medium, though. You're absolutely right that the fans who live and breathe this show will know it better than you. But if you cater to everything they want you're going to get something so watered-down and sterile that it may never hit as hard as you want.
The problem at hand is that what WE want won't necessarily make this successful. If we had our way it would be a perfect continuation from season 4, although hopefully with more of season 3's feel. But obviously ReBoot didn't succeed as it was. Realistically concessions have to be made.
Also, if we're all deeply involved and guiding you every step, where's the excitement and surprises for us? Difficult decisions have to be made, and things that shock us have to happen to make this good.
The alien thing I was unsure of, but the user interaction concept I was somewhat interested in, assuming you did it right. If Bob and the user just had conversations... well, that would suck. But if they somehow had awareness of each other, and communicated in extremely indirect ways without ever truly being 100% sure of the other... that could have been incredible. I wouldn't have wanted Bob to hang out with a virtual User like in the games, but to have the User possibly manipulating things from the outside and Bob being pretty sure those things were being done on purpose but never knowing for sure... well, that could have been within the spirit of the show.
Still, I'm happy to see you listening and working with us. Just make sure there's plenty of surprises and that you keep some of yourself in it. Committee decisions are too often soulless compared to a single vision.
*reads carefully* Now for the real response. Hitting "add comment" is sometimes a big responsibility, so forgive my harsh language.
I agree with Wren only somewhat. I was hesitant to accept -any- of the pitches at first. I'm an older fan. I fear change. I fear ReBoot going far from what I remember.
The User world pitch annoyed me, to be blunt. I didn't give it much thought, brushed it off, and went to check out 2.0 with its quiet and local storyline to Mainframe. Later after mulling over things, I came back here to find the team willing to tweak things slightly more than any other team. You'd changed the User world tale to a grander scheme of cyberspace than many had seen.
In ReBoot, the story slowly grew from just showing us a single system's struggle in an advanced world to showing us the worlds beyond such as the vast world of the 'Net and games, and very briefly, the Web. One would think the only next move would be to go to the User's world. Many fans including myself, as I've said, objected to this. Translating cybernetic data into organic matter seemed ludicrous. It could have been written, however.
You chose to go with what many of us suggested (screamed at you maybe, in spite of your trying so hard), even though you could have done otherwise. You trusted us. Thank you for that.
What you have now is a chance to show us an aspect of the preexisting cyberspace that we've never seen before. There IS more to explore of the cybernetic world than just what we've already seen. Travel to the Outside, to Earth, is not the only option to wow an audience. Now the trick is to show us just what more that world has to amaze and entertain viewers anew.
I'm glad for all I for one have seen you willing to go through to both please us fellow Booters and try to write something that you yourself feel proud of. That's not ass-kissing: I've been thrilled by this week's speedy progress, and I'm eagerly anticipating V2.
Keep up the good work, and thanks for writing for this team.
Like TurboFool said, some sort of interaction with the User where Bob and the rest of the crew aren't sure if the User is really there or not... an indirect interaction... would be cool. Not to mention some awareness that the User lives in a system called Earth would be cool. Won't you keep the User in, in some abstract fashion, which would be in the spirit of the original show?
And I liked the alien bit, but I won't be sad to see it go, either.
*Frustrated* Why is it that everyone is allowed to post long responses, and my long response keeps getting the "Your comment is too short" thing??? It's so annoying! Not that it's anyone's fault here...just needed to vent (and, ironically, this post is way shorter than my other post...*sigh*...)
Stimulatio... commented 4 years ago
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thank goodness you came with an open mind about changing the story because no way in heaven would you have won with that crap. Yes, it was crap. But hopefully you are making it non-crap this friday =)
Stimulatio... commented 4 years ago
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HAHA!.. sorry I'm mean.
Stimulatio... commented 4 years ago
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http://live.zeros2heroes.com/component/option,com_myblog/show,What-do-you-want-changed-in-the-updates-to-the-pitches.html/task,userblog/Itemid,107/
I got a new blog up and I gave some opinions on all your pitches and what I would like changed. Read it and get a chuckle of out it if you want.
WeBViRuS commented 4 years ago
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Jesus, Stim', you're an ass. Stop making snarky posts with your arrogance.
Kasandora commented 4 years ago
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WhizzyWig - LOL!
At the moment, I'm trying to post, but the stupid "Your comment is too short" thing keeps coming up...
Stimulatio... commented 4 years ago
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I put a smiley face at the end WeBViRuS =(
It makes everything good afterwards.
TurboFool commented 4 years ago
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I think I'm one of the few people who liked your initial pitch the way it was for the most part, and I get what Wren was saying. I think in the end it's a happy medium, though. You're absolutely right that the fans who live and breathe this show will know it better than you. But if you cater to everything they want you're going to get something so watered-down and sterile that it may never hit as hard as you want.
The problem at hand is that what WE want won't necessarily make this successful. If we had our way it would be a perfect continuation from season 4, although hopefully with more of season 3's feel. But obviously ReBoot didn't succeed as it was. Realistically concessions have to be made.
Also, if we're all deeply involved and guiding you every step, where's the excitement and surprises for us? Difficult decisions have to be made, and things that shock us have to happen to make this good.
The alien thing I was unsure of, but the user interaction concept I was somewhat interested in, assuming you did it right. If Bob and the user just had conversations... well, that would suck. But if they somehow had awareness of each other, and communicated in extremely indirect ways without ever truly being 100% sure of the other... that could have been incredible. I wouldn't have wanted Bob to hang out with a virtual User like in the games, but to have the User possibly manipulating things from the outside and Bob being pretty sure those things were being done on purpose but never knowing for sure... well, that could have been within the spirit of the show.
Still, I'm happy to see you listening and working with us. Just make sure there's plenty of surprises and that you keep some of yourself in it. Committee decisions are too often soulless compared to a single vision.
WeBViRuS commented 4 years ago
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*reads carefully* Now for the real response. Hitting "add comment" is sometimes a big responsibility, so forgive my harsh language.
I agree with Wren only somewhat. I was hesitant to accept -any- of the pitches at first. I'm an older fan. I fear change. I fear ReBoot going far from what I remember.
The User world pitch annoyed me, to be blunt. I didn't give it much thought, brushed it off, and went to check out 2.0 with its quiet and local storyline to Mainframe. Later after mulling over things, I came back here to find the team willing to tweak things slightly more than any other team. You'd changed the User world tale to a grander scheme of cyberspace than many had seen.
In ReBoot, the story slowly grew from just showing us a single system's struggle in an advanced world to showing us the worlds beyond such as the vast world of the 'Net and games, and very briefly, the Web. One would think the only next move would be to go to the User's world. Many fans including myself, as I've said, objected to this. Translating cybernetic data into organic matter seemed ludicrous. It could have been written, however.
You chose to go with what many of us suggested (screamed at you maybe, in spite of your trying so hard), even though you could have done otherwise. You trusted us. Thank you for that.
What you have now is a chance to show us an aspect of the preexisting cyberspace that we've never seen before. There IS more to explore of the cybernetic world than just what we've already seen. Travel to the Outside, to Earth, is not the only option to wow an audience. Now the trick is to show us just what more that world has to amaze and entertain viewers anew.
I'm glad for all I for one have seen you willing to go through to both please us fellow Booters and try to write something that you yourself feel proud of. That's not ass-kissing: I've been thrilled by this week's speedy progress, and I'm eagerly anticipating V2.
Keep up the good work, and thanks for writing for this team.
Astragem14 commented 4 years ago
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Like TurboFool said, some sort of interaction with the User where Bob and the rest of the crew aren't sure if the User is really there or not... an indirect interaction... would be cool. Not to mention some awareness that the User lives in a system called Earth would be cool. Won't you keep the User in, in some abstract fashion, which would be in the spirit of the original show?
And I liked the alien bit, but I won't be sad to see it go, either.
Kasandora commented 4 years ago
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*Frustrated* Why is it that everyone is allowed to post long responses, and my long response keeps getting the "Your comment is too short" thing??? It's so annoying! Not that it's anyone's fault here...just needed to vent (and, ironically, this post is way shorter than my other post...*sigh*...)