I REALLY want to see ReBoot VS The Sims now, just because I think it could be hilarious...
BOB: Okay, we win this game by being the first to complete all of our aspirations... apparently I have to buy a telescope, get a grilled cheese sandwich, see a UFO and get abducted by aliens.
MATRIX: That's pretty weird.
BOB: Well, what do you have to do?
MATRIX: Uhhhh... work out, kiss AndrAIa, make out with AndrAIa... what the heck is a 'woo-hoo' and why would you want to do it in public?
Actually I suppose that's only really funny if you obsessively play The Sims like I do. Ah well.
Yeah in terms of how actual games work, there's no such thing as a game floating in the web or the internet. For online games, game files are hosted on the user's system, and the user connects to another system (the server) in order to send and receive data to and from the other players.
Personally, I like the proposed idea of the ASPs already. The idea that a malevolent system is crashing games down on the heroes in order to kill them is AWESOME.
I rewatched a few episodes the other day - there's also the 'extra' bit that they referred to as "The Edge of Beyond", which seemed to be the gap between the net and the web. The depiction of the web was not necessarily of a 'space between the net' but more of a conglomeration of a mass of data that was not organised or orderly. As they were travelling in the Saucy Mare, Mr Norton (or was it Mr Andrews?) mentioned that the 'density of the data' was causing them trouble to navigate through the web. Then you had that whole data storm part that Matrix steered them into. The net seems to be a more orderly area with direct, unobstructed routes between systems, where as the web is just a mess of data that you have to wade through and around in order to get from point A to point B. (Mr Norton: "Its like trying to move through lead soup!") It doesn't seem like a game could 'land' anywhere in the web the way Mainframe depicted it in the series, but there's no indication to say that it couldn't travel through the web. Doesn't information travel back and forth between the server and a user's computer whilst playing the MMORPG?? Would it travel through a direct route like the net or through the web, leaving bits of data behind? If game data travelled through the web, what would happen to sprites who got caught up in it? Just a few questions that come to mind lol.
Hrm. I dunno, in ReBoot, the Web always struck me as open space, more than a place. I'd tend to think of MMORPG as a Game that instantiates when the User runs it, and drops with a tunnel connecting it through the Web to other instantiations... perhaps allowing sprites from systems that had previously never made contact to speak to one another... get data on Gnosis, say...
That said, however, I'm thinking MMORPGs are hard to shoehorn into the simpler world of Reboot, for reasons many have brought up, including the lack of proper win/loss scenarios, the logistics of how it would manifest... I'd tend to leave them out of discussion for the nonce, unless there's a particularly useful way for them to serve the Arrival plot.
Guardian: Imagine, for a second, an MMORPG type of game. Wouldn't it make sense (not from a real-world standpoint, but from a ReBoot standpoint) that that game could exist in a massive game cube that persistently exists IN the web? It could be connected to the 'net, which is how the users get into it, but the cube would be large enough that it exists on its own instead of in a system. So a sprite traveling through the web could locate the cube and access it via some backdoors located in the web.
*nod* So many people were caught up on "I love Megabyte... but how can he survive? He'd have to kill the heroes, and we'd have no movie. If he didn't, they'd delete him! They could never trust him again."
In this frame, trust isn't a factor, and neither side has to get destroyed. The Guardians lay siege, he's too busy to kill the heroes, but they can't crack the Principle Office to get to him. A stalemate that opens the door for the new threat...
He stays nice and safe in the Principle Office till he has his opening, and then takes over a whole system to turn against the heroes. He doesn't have to ally with them, nor they with him, to end up fighting for the same goal... and he can continue as a recurring villain, on a somewhat larger scale.
I'll admit, I'm not the hardcore fan that some here are, and I'm sure there are gaps in my ideas... but it makes sense to me as an enthusiast, and appeals to me as an author.
I don't believe it was ever addressed in the show, however it doesn't make much sense if you think about it. Games land in Systems. The Web isn't a System - it's the "space" between systems. So I don't believe games would just randomly come about somehow in the Web. Besides, where would the game drop from? :P There's no up or down in the web, like in space.
The Sims mention sparked something in my head- and this is probably not a good idea, but I needed to post it, because it is so very cool in my head. So, if these web games can exist (and I see no reason why not, and I just reviewed all the episodes), then what would happen if a user decided to really like a NPC? Like FF characters you don't play as- if you came across a character in FF or the Sims, and got to know them, and they told you that they were NPCs/Sprites and if you won, they would die, would you go ahead and try to win, or would you try and learn more? What would this communication between user and sprite mean to the user, the sprite, the computer, the network? The user would look like a sprite, and the sprite would look like a user- they'd be on equal footing... kind of. Would you play to win?
Yeah, this has nothing to do with the pitch, but yeah, it's just an interesting concept.
And just a little thing I've been thinking of- if the Surfer is a Search Engine, version 2.0, then can he please be Digg or something? lol.
I'm hoping they'll like it. Also, opening up the idea of the Net as the local (lower case) internet and The Web as the trackless Outer Space of the (big I) Internet lets you start Gnosis elsewhere, spreading as these worms tend to do. It opens up different corps of Guardians, perhaps, not unlike different antivirus packages...
It can -also- then tie into the Hunt, in the category: How does Gnosis suddenly appear? Well, the Guardians are tied up fighting Megabyte, and not doing too darn well. They're not as able to Mend and Defend, keep up the Firewall... tears open, and some packets from Gnosis slip into a system.
It then opens the door to re-involve Megs too. Hunkered down, he sees that he can't rule if Gnosis conquers, so, whether or not the heroes want to ally with him, he'll want to strike. Imagine if part of the victory is achieved only because Megabyte has infected one of the systems Gnosis overtook, turning that part of its "body" against it, opening a window for victory... Everyone still hates him, but he kinda saved the day... and now he owns his own system...
JenKollic commented 4 years ago
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I REALLY want to see ReBoot VS The Sims now, just because I think it could be hilarious...
BOB: Okay, we win this game by being the first to complete all of our aspirations... apparently I have to buy a telescope, get a grilled cheese sandwich, see a UFO and get abducted by aliens.
MATRIX: That's pretty weird.
BOB: Well, what do you have to do?
MATRIX: Uhhhh... work out, kiss AndrAIa, make out with AndrAIa... what the heck is a 'woo-hoo' and why would you want to do it in public?
Actually I suppose that's only really funny if you obsessively play The Sims like I do. Ah well.
Guardian commented 4 years ago
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Yeah in terms of how actual games work, there's no such thing as a game floating in the web or the internet. For online games, game files are hosted on the user's system, and the user connects to another system (the server) in order to send and receive data to and from the other players.
Personally, I like the proposed idea of the ASPs already. The idea that a malevolent system is crashing games down on the heroes in order to kill them is AWESOME.
Mayhem commented 4 years ago
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I rewatched a few episodes the other day - there's also the 'extra' bit that they referred to as "The Edge of Beyond", which seemed to be the gap between the net and the web. The depiction of the web was not necessarily of a 'space between the net' but more of a conglomeration of a mass of data that was not organised or orderly. As they were travelling in the Saucy Mare, Mr Norton (or was it Mr Andrews?) mentioned that the 'density of the data' was causing them trouble to navigate through the web. Then you had that whole data storm part that Matrix steered them into. The net seems to be a more orderly area with direct, unobstructed routes between systems, where as the web is just a mess of data that you have to wade through and around in order to get from point A to point B. (Mr Norton: "Its like trying to move through lead soup!") It doesn't seem like a game could 'land' anywhere in the web the way Mainframe depicted it in the series, but there's no indication to say that it couldn't travel through the web. Doesn't information travel back and forth between the server and a user's computer whilst playing the MMORPG?? Would it travel through a direct route like the net or through the web, leaving bits of data behind? If game data travelled through the web, what would happen to sprites who got caught up in it? Just a few questions that come to mind lol.
Chronos commented 4 years ago
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Hrm. I dunno, in ReBoot, the Web always struck me as open space, more than a place. I'd tend to think of MMORPG as a Game that instantiates when the User runs it, and drops with a tunnel connecting it through the Web to other instantiations... perhaps allowing sprites from systems that had previously never made contact to speak to one another... get data on Gnosis, say...
That said, however, I'm thinking MMORPGs are hard to shoehorn into the simpler world of Reboot, for reasons many have brought up, including the lack of proper win/loss scenarios, the logistics of how it would manifest... I'd tend to leave them out of discussion for the nonce, unless there's a particularly useful way for them to serve the Arrival plot.
TurboFool commented 4 years ago
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Guardian: Imagine, for a second, an MMORPG type of game. Wouldn't it make sense (not from a real-world standpoint, but from a ReBoot standpoint) that that game could exist in a massive game cube that persistently exists IN the web? It could be connected to the 'net, which is how the users get into it, but the cube would be large enough that it exists on its own instead of in a system. So a sprite traveling through the web could locate the cube and access it via some backdoors located in the web.
Chronos commented 4 years ago
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*nod* So many people were caught up on "I love Megabyte... but how can he survive? He'd have to kill the heroes, and we'd have no movie. If he didn't, they'd delete him! They could never trust him again."
In this frame, trust isn't a factor, and neither side has to get destroyed. The Guardians lay siege, he's too busy to kill the heroes, but they can't crack the Principle Office to get to him. A stalemate that opens the door for the new threat...
He stays nice and safe in the Principle Office till he has his opening, and then takes over a whole system to turn against the heroes. He doesn't have to ally with them, nor they with him, to end up fighting for the same goal... and he can continue as a recurring villain, on a somewhat larger scale.
I'll admit, I'm not the hardcore fan that some here are, and I'm sure there are gaps in my ideas... but it makes sense to me as an enthusiast, and appeals to me as an author.
WeBViRuS commented 4 years ago
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In my heavily biased opinion, I like Chronos' take on it. ;D Can't Megs rule something without destroying it? *wags a finger at him*
Guardian commented 4 years ago
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I don't believe it was ever addressed in the show, however it doesn't make much sense if you think about it. Games land in Systems. The Web isn't a System - it's the "space" between systems. So I don't believe games would just randomly come about somehow in the Web. Besides, where would the game drop from? :P There's no up or down in the web, like in space.
burnsbothe... commented 4 years ago
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The Sims mention sparked something in my head- and this is probably not a good idea, but I needed to post it, because it is so very cool in my head. So, if these web games can exist (and I see no reason why not, and I just reviewed all the episodes), then what would happen if a user decided to really like a NPC? Like FF characters you don't play as- if you came across a character in FF or the Sims, and got to know them, and they told you that they were NPCs/Sprites and if you won, they would die, would you go ahead and try to win, or would you try and learn more? What would this communication between user and sprite mean to the user, the sprite, the computer, the network? The user would look like a sprite, and the sprite would look like a user- they'd be on equal footing... kind of. Would you play to win?
Yeah, this has nothing to do with the pitch, but yeah, it's just an interesting concept.
And just a little thing I've been thinking of- if the Surfer is a Search Engine, version 2.0, then can he please be Digg or something? lol.
Chronos commented 4 years ago
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I'm hoping they'll like it. Also, opening up the idea of the Net as the local (lower case) internet and The Web as the trackless Outer Space of the (big I) Internet lets you start Gnosis elsewhere, spreading as these worms tend to do. It opens up different corps of Guardians, perhaps, not unlike different antivirus packages...
It can -also- then tie into the Hunt, in the category: How does Gnosis suddenly appear? Well, the Guardians are tied up fighting Megabyte, and not doing too darn well. They're not as able to Mend and Defend, keep up the Firewall... tears open, and some packets from Gnosis slip into a system.
It then opens the door to re-involve Megs too. Hunkered down, he sees that he can't rule if Gnosis conquers, so, whether or not the heroes want to ally with him, he'll want to strike. Imagine if part of the victory is achieved only because Megabyte has infected one of the systems Gnosis overtook, turning that part of its "body" against it, opening a window for victory... Everyone still hates him, but he kinda saved the day... and now he owns his own system...