Well said Jeff. This is truly some revolutionary ground here and I'm glad to be a part of it. The best thing to remember is that all of us are trying to make the best ReBoot possible.
This is all very exciting to even think that we all have a part in bringing back ReBoot the way we want it. Thank you for being the only team to truly interact with the fans and make sure your idea is as refined and perfect as it can be.
I can't wait for Arrival V3. I know it won't disappoint.
I'm not writing it off because 2.0 isn't winning. I'm writing it off because none of the other pitch teams seem to give a shit. People like Rek and myself plain don't want to go to supporting another pitch, especially after all the thinking and work we've put into 2.0 support. So what can we do? Absolutely nothing, aside from sit by and watch as the big, shiny Arrival pitch gets more and more material - it doesn't make me want to join in, it makes me want to hurt someone. 2.0 fans are dedicated, and they deserve a shot too - and now because of the utter failure of the other teams, everything has been for nothing.
Seriously, even if the 2.0 team came back RIGHT THIS INSTANT, it'd still be too damn late to do anything - Arrival has too big a lead on us. There really is just no point of continuing discussion, other than just for the friggin' hell of it.
I really had high expectations of this contest. Now it's just turned into 'Sit back and pitch ideas to other fans, while the team does absolutely nothing.'
Imagine two fathers; one obviously better at parenting than the other. We're the children of the ignorant, abusive parent - however, we don't want to leave them, because we're family. It sucks monkey balls, but that's just the way it is sometimes.
Eh. I don't see 'foul' language as a big deal. They're all just words, after all.
But, I don't exactly see how it's being a traitor. I'm sitting here in the sand, twiddling my fucking thumbs, waiting for the 2.0 staff to come back and give us SOMETHING. I think I've been pretty damn patient, thus far, considering the pace YOUR pitch is moving.
Seriously. I'm waiting to see an article about it in TIME or something-- Fan-Power: Rebooting the Creative Process.
Okay maybe not TIME. BUT STILL
But seriously, I can't say enough what a great experience this has been for me. No matter the outcome, I will always be glad to have been a part of this.
Yay for staying frosty XD
Same as Guardian and Jester— I am proud beyond measure to be part of this, no matter what comes out of it. You all have done a great job with interaction, and that really adds to creative flow and inspiration. I'm having so much fun with this— I can't wait for your next uploads!
Write off ReBoot fans? Well, wouldn't that be smart...
I feel your pain Shadowbolt, and you bring up some interesting points. But as odd as it sounds I think fan feedback has played a big role in the motivation of certian teams. If for example your work has been pummeled into oblivion by the critics, there is little motivation to try to refine your idea or start completely anew.
On the other hand if you've been getting good feedback and support it's all the more motivation to keep at it. Many creative people weather they're artists, writers or whatever know exactly what I'm talking about. I can't speak for a specific group(s) I'm simply speculating.
If your father has abandoned you there is plenty of room at our house. You can still visit on Birthdays and Christmas. My only request is that I get to be the father and WhizzyWig can be the mother. jk
Also I still love Wonder Dot. If you think you've seen the last of her you're sadly mistaken. Maybe not in ReBoot and maybe not anytime soon, but one day, and for the rest of your life. WonderDot will rise again!
So, wait - you're asking me to support Arrival? Dude, I'm sorry, but just, no. I just plain don't like Arrival - the story doesn't appeal to me - and as a wannabe writer, story is more important to me than artwork.
But hey, who knows? There's still half a month left - maybe while I'm sitting here, waiting for the 2.0 team's excuse for their utter radio silence, you'll manage to somehow 'WOW' me. Perhaps eventually, your story won't make me feel like I'm being spoon-fed strained peas. 'Open up! Here comes the plain!'
Also, the idea that 'good feedback = good results' isn't exactly true. It IS true that you can't give just one kind of feedback or the other, as it'd just fuck up the pitch, but that isn't the case here. The 2.0 team has received a shitload of feedback, both positive, negative, constructive and creative. Yet still, nothing. All that v2 of the pitch was, was rehashing every single thing we already had, from the text to the pictures. And you know what? No excuses, or explanations - the 2.0 team just says 'This is the way it is; live with it', and drops you on your ass.
So why do I stick with them? Because the story appeals to me. Aside from the joke that is v2, it makes sense, canonically, and technically. It fits in almost perfectly with the Reboot universe, and the story just fits in with the whole computer theme. That just plain isn't something that Arrival gives me; simple as that.
And so, here I sit, tossing different 2.0 ideas out of nowhere, hoping that someday soon, the team will do SOMETHING. Give us some new pictures, give us some more story, give us a believable excuse, give us SOMETHING , God damn it!
Guardian commented 4 years ago
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Well said Jeff. This is truly some revolutionary ground here and I'm glad to be a part of it. The best thing to remember is that all of us are trying to make the best ReBoot possible.
Jester17 commented 4 years ago
+1
This is all very exciting to even think that we all have a part in bringing back ReBoot the way we want it. Thank you for being the only team to truly interact with the fans and make sure your idea is as refined and perfect as it can be.
I can't wait for Arrival V3. I know it won't disappoint.
Shadowbolt commented 4 years ago
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I'm not writing it off because 2.0 isn't winning. I'm writing it off because none of the other pitch teams seem to give a shit. People like Rek and myself plain don't want to go to supporting another pitch, especially after all the thinking and work we've put into 2.0 support. So what can we do? Absolutely nothing, aside from sit by and watch as the big, shiny Arrival pitch gets more and more material - it doesn't make me want to join in, it makes me want to hurt someone. 2.0 fans are dedicated, and they deserve a shot too - and now because of the utter failure of the other teams, everything has been for nothing.
Seriously, even if the 2.0 team came back RIGHT THIS INSTANT, it'd still be too damn late to do anything - Arrival has too big a lead on us. There really is just no point of continuing discussion, other than just for the friggin' hell of it.
I really had high expectations of this contest. Now it's just turned into 'Sit back and pitch ideas to other fans, while the team does absolutely nothing.'
Imagine two fathers; one obviously better at parenting than the other. We're the children of the ignorant, abusive parent - however, we don't want to leave them, because we're family. It sucks monkey balls, but that's just the way it is sometimes.
What a shitload of fuck.
Professor ... commented 4 years ago
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Really, I mostly fear what would happen if Rainmaker concluded that inviting fan feedback was a dangerous, messy gamble, best avoided.
Professor ... commented 4 years ago
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Man, SB, you've got a mouth on you. Still, I can sense your desperation. All I can say is: don't turn your back on them. Nobody likes a traitor. :P
Okay, I'm kidding. If I see the writer - and I do sometimes - I'll punch him in the mouth for you. I think I owe him a beer anyway.
Shadowbolt commented 4 years ago
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Eh. I don't see 'foul' language as a big deal. They're all just words, after all.
But, I don't exactly see how it's being a traitor. I'm sitting here in the sand, twiddling my fucking thumbs, waiting for the 2.0 staff to come back and give us SOMETHING. I think I've been pretty damn patient, thus far, considering the pace YOUR pitch is moving.
endian commented 4 years ago
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Seriously. I'm waiting to see an article about it in TIME or something-- Fan-Power: Rebooting the Creative Process.
Okay maybe not TIME. BUT STILL
But seriously, I can't say enough what a great experience this has been for me. No matter the outcome, I will always be glad to have been a part of this.
Yay for staying frosty XD
LadyLazuli commented 4 years ago
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Same as Guardian and Jester— I am proud beyond measure to be part of this, no matter what comes out of it. You all have done a great job with interaction, and that really adds to creative flow and inspiration. I'm having so much fun with this— I can't wait for your next uploads!
Write off ReBoot fans? Well, wouldn't that be smart...
*imagines angry mob with torches and pitchforks*
Smartens commented 4 years ago
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I feel your pain Shadowbolt, and you bring up some interesting points. But as odd as it sounds I think fan feedback has played a big role in the motivation of certian teams. If for example your work has been pummeled into oblivion by the critics, there is little motivation to try to refine your idea or start completely anew.
On the other hand if you've been getting good feedback and support it's all the more motivation to keep at it. Many creative people weather they're artists, writers or whatever know exactly what I'm talking about. I can't speak for a specific group(s) I'm simply speculating.
If your father has abandoned you there is plenty of room at our house. You can still visit on Birthdays and Christmas. My only request is that I get to be the father and WhizzyWig can be the mother. jk
Also I still love Wonder Dot. If you think you've seen the last of her you're sadly mistaken. Maybe not in ReBoot and maybe not anytime soon, but one day, and for the rest of your life. WonderDot will rise again!
Smartens (Arrival Artist)
Shadowbolt commented 4 years ago
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So, wait - you're asking me to support Arrival? Dude, I'm sorry, but just, no. I just plain don't like Arrival - the story doesn't appeal to me - and as a wannabe writer, story is more important to me than artwork.
But hey, who knows? There's still half a month left - maybe while I'm sitting here, waiting for the 2.0 team's excuse for their utter radio silence, you'll manage to somehow 'WOW' me. Perhaps eventually, your story won't make me feel like I'm being spoon-fed strained peas. 'Open up! Here comes the plain!'
Also, the idea that 'good feedback = good results' isn't exactly true. It IS true that you can't give just one kind of feedback or the other, as it'd just fuck up the pitch, but that isn't the case here. The 2.0 team has received a shitload of feedback, both positive, negative, constructive and creative. Yet still, nothing. All that v2 of the pitch was, was rehashing every single thing we already had, from the text to the pictures. And you know what? No excuses, or explanations - the 2.0 team just says 'This is the way it is; live with it', and drops you on your ass.
So why do I stick with them? Because the story appeals to me. Aside from the joke that is v2, it makes sense, canonically, and technically. It fits in almost perfectly with the Reboot universe, and the story just fits in with the whole computer theme. That just plain isn't something that Arrival gives me; simple as that.
And so, here I sit, tossing different 2.0 ideas out of nowhere, hoping that someday soon, the team will do SOMETHING. Give us some new pictures, give us some more story, give us a believable excuse, give us SOMETHING , God damn it!