Look at me, chiming in all late again. I'll probably summarize once I've caught up on everything, but I want to make sure I get some ideas out as they come.
Alright. There's two ways to look at this: The Real-World parallels and the ReBoot World Backstory.
In Reboot, the Net is basically all the known world. It's represented as global. The Systems are connected, and regulated by a central authority on the Supercomputer - the Guardians.
The Web is this dangerous Other Layer full of monsters, it's dangerous to sprites... but it still connects computers, through other routes.
To take this to a Real World analogy - which I'm not wholly sure is necessary, but should be helpful in coming up with ideas - it's really most helpful to think of the Net as an internet... lower-case I. It's a local network, run and maintained, and safe.
The Web, on the other hand, can be thought of as the Internet, capital I, the global interconnection, with all its messiness, worthless data, lack of regulation and dangerous code. The 'Net was kept safe and separate.
There are contra-indications to this in the series, I think in part because ReBoot always played fast and loose with these metaphors. Also, in '94 and '95, this stuff wasn't as omnipresent to necessitate that. It's only since then that people have started confusing the Internet and the World Wide Web to the degree you're dealing with now. http is one of several protocols used to communicate on the internet, not something with its own existence at all. That makes it hard to describe given the way its depicted. There's no equivalent for other Layer 5 protocols in reboot, nothing for FTP or Gopher or Telnet... There's Mainframe, which is on the Net with the Supercomputer and other Systems, and there's the Web.
You're not hidebound to the continuity, so long as you don't tread all over it. And you're not hidebound to the parallels - the original authors never were.
So, you have options. I think it's best to think of the Web as the Internet, and continue to envision it as Outer Space, while the Net is a well-run LAN, and to the characters, it's the whole world - a planet.
This is the reason for the "Globe" representation of the Net. It's the Known World of ReBoot. But if you get past the inhospitable distances of the Web (outer space), you may well find alien planets with "alien" life forms (running under OSX... or ancient twilight races running VMS or Multics!).
This opens up the "world" of ReBoot enormously, of course, and may lead to complication... but it would also open up options if a series were to take off. Imagine Guardians butting heads with sprites transported from the vast reaches of the Web - Guardians themselves transported from their systems, to a place where their keytools fail, because their process lacks administrator privileges...
The best way I can describe it is in terms of something a lot of us may be familiar with - The show Firefly and the movie Serenity.
In this story, there is The Alliance - neat and clean, and safe "network" of central planets which are united. Then there are the outer planets, which are a sort of no-man's land, like the old west. I imagine that The Net is like the alliance in that it is the orderly, neat organized network of Systems. Whereas the Web is like the outer planets - the no-man's land. That's why Bob was worried that Codemaster Lens may have been from the Web instead of the Net. If he had been from the Web he would likely be a more hardened and ruthless Codemaster. In terms of the terminology and connection to our technology - I don't think you can stretch it more. It's sort of odd names, but they were named way back in the day before this was common speak. Technically, the Internet is the network of _computers_ connected together. And the "World Wide Web" is the collection of websites and the links from and to other websites which reside on the interconnected computers. However, people commonly interchange the two.
bagboyrebel does have a point on that supercomputer issue, but we could simply assume that that's within, say, a university's network. While the 'net could represent a LAN, it's not necessarily limited to that. It could easily represent everything past that LAN as well. However, if the Guardians are, for instance, based out of the supercomputer then why they have jurisdiction throughout the 'net might be questionable. That's still not hard to piece together, though. For one thing, ReBoot doesn't necessarily take place within OUR version of Earth. Perhaps in their world there really is one main supercomputer that's an integral component of the 'net. Or perhaps (and maybe more likely) there's a sort of monopoly on antivirus software (since Guardians are, obviously, like the Norton Systemworks of the ReBoot world... except without hogging as many resources) in the ReBoot world, and so the Guardians and the supercomputer merely represent the most common source of "justice" on the 'net. Could be interesting, too, to eventually examine the Guardians' "competitors" and how they may use completely different tools and methods to patrol the areas in which they're popular. There could be rivalries as well as team-ups, but the completely foreign nature of their methods, uniforms, etc. could be pretty cool to examine.
well one of the reasons I think of the net as one smaller network was because of the supercomputer. They always refer to one supecomputer on the net whereas a larger network should have more.
bagboyrebel: Have you been to rebootrevival.com? Go there and see how many red dots are on the placement map for the visitors to the site and where their computer was located. Now, draw a line between all of those computers, and you have a network.
Looking up the history of the internet will also explain this theory very well. Imagery did come later, as Yannick Fortin said. I see that as being the origins of the Web and the 'Net. The Network of plain text commands (like a Dos prompt for this layman) was crisp and purposeful, used only by the govornment, then came the Web, an internet with color, images interpreted by the underlying code, and then computers used by the common User.
Mainframe Ent started out with techi geeks with a good idea, so they already knew what terms to use and how to reinterpret computer thinking into a three-dimensional world.
Actually, an awesome idea would be the first ever computer created by Steve Jobs. ;D "Origin of Sprites"
The way I see it is the smaller network versus the entire world wide web. I think the reason it showed a map of the Earth in Daemon Rising was that the net was probably supposed to be one planet with each computer being a city/state/country and the Web was the rest of the univers(outer space).
I agree with TurboFool and WeBViRuS's interpretations on this.
I always saw the Net as representing a set of networked computers, perhaps multiple sets of networked computers, (i.e. there's more than one Net) with the Web being the big, bad WWW that surrounds those connections. As WeBViRuS said, the Net is like a system of roads between systems, and the Web is the wilderness.
Alternatively, the Net could represent SSL technology, encrypted, safe connections. While the Web is standard HTTP, where anything goes.
Personally, I always saw the Web as the space in-between. The 'net we know of is organized, a series of interlocked computers that can intercommunicate. But what's between these systems? The edge of Beyond and the Web. That's why Daemon acquired control of it, though how exactly she ever did that was completely left out beyond "she arranged the Web creature". That line had a lot of people scratching their heads.
But there's my take on it. You know how we have huge cities with permanent roads build in between them that travel safely through all kinds of wilderness? Picture the Web to be what's around that road and in between our cities. It is the Amazon; it is the Kalahari; it is the last place you want to be stranded in on Earth, comparably. Yet even in these places where civilization wouldn't think of setting foot, life still thrives, maybe even civilizations we don't know about. Oh yeah, they're called Web Riders. ;D
Chronos commented 4 years ago
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Look at me, chiming in all late again. I'll probably summarize once I've caught up on everything, but I want to make sure I get some ideas out as they come.
Alright. There's two ways to look at this: The Real-World parallels and the ReBoot World Backstory.
In Reboot, the Net is basically all the known world. It's represented as global. The Systems are connected, and regulated by a central authority on the Supercomputer - the Guardians.
The Web is this dangerous Other Layer full of monsters, it's dangerous to sprites... but it still connects computers, through other routes.
To take this to a Real World analogy - which I'm not wholly sure is necessary, but should be helpful in coming up with ideas - it's really most helpful to think of the Net as an internet... lower-case I. It's a local network, run and maintained, and safe.
The Web, on the other hand, can be thought of as the Internet, capital I, the global interconnection, with all its messiness, worthless data, lack of regulation and dangerous code. The 'Net was kept safe and separate.
There are contra-indications to this in the series, I think in part because ReBoot always played fast and loose with these metaphors. Also, in '94 and '95, this stuff wasn't as omnipresent to necessitate that. It's only since then that people have started confusing the Internet and the World Wide Web to the degree you're dealing with now. http is one of several protocols used to communicate on the internet, not something with its own existence at all. That makes it hard to describe given the way its depicted. There's no equivalent for other Layer 5 protocols in reboot, nothing for FTP or Gopher or Telnet... There's Mainframe, which is on the Net with the Supercomputer and other Systems, and there's the Web.
You're not hidebound to the continuity, so long as you don't tread all over it. And you're not hidebound to the parallels - the original authors never were.
So, you have options. I think it's best to think of the Web as the Internet, and continue to envision it as Outer Space, while the Net is a well-run LAN, and to the characters, it's the whole world - a planet.
This is the reason for the "Globe" representation of the Net. It's the Known World of ReBoot. But if you get past the inhospitable distances of the Web (outer space), you may well find alien planets with "alien" life forms (running under OSX... or ancient twilight races running VMS or Multics!).
This opens up the "world" of ReBoot enormously, of course, and may lead to complication... but it would also open up options if a series were to take off. Imagine Guardians butting heads with sprites transported from the vast reaches of the Web - Guardians themselves transported from their systems, to a place where their keytools fail, because their process lacks administrator privileges...
Too much for the movie. But a wide-open future...
Guardian commented 4 years ago
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The best way I can describe it is in terms of something a lot of us may be familiar with - The show Firefly and the movie Serenity.
In this story, there is The Alliance - neat and clean, and safe "network" of central planets which are united. Then there are the outer planets, which are a sort of no-man's land, like the old west. I imagine that The Net is like the alliance in that it is the orderly, neat organized network of Systems. Whereas the Web is like the outer planets - the no-man's land. That's why Bob was worried that Codemaster Lens may have been from the Web instead of the Net. If he had been from the Web he would likely be a more hardened and ruthless Codemaster. In terms of the terminology and connection to our technology - I don't think you can stretch it more. It's sort of odd names, but they were named way back in the day before this was common speak. Technically, the Internet is the network of _computers_ connected together. And the "World Wide Web" is the collection of websites and the links from and to other websites which reside on the interconnected computers. However, people commonly interchange the two.
TurboFool commented 4 years ago
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bagboyrebel does have a point on that supercomputer issue, but we could simply assume that that's within, say, a university's network. While the 'net could represent a LAN, it's not necessarily limited to that. It could easily represent everything past that LAN as well. However, if the Guardians are, for instance, based out of the supercomputer then why they have jurisdiction throughout the 'net might be questionable. That's still not hard to piece together, though. For one thing, ReBoot doesn't necessarily take place within OUR version of Earth. Perhaps in their world there really is one main supercomputer that's an integral component of the 'net. Or perhaps (and maybe more likely) there's a sort of monopoly on antivirus software (since Guardians are, obviously, like the Norton Systemworks of the ReBoot world... except without hogging as many resources) in the ReBoot world, and so the Guardians and the supercomputer merely represent the most common source of "justice" on the 'net. Could be interesting, too, to eventually examine the Guardians' "competitors" and how they may use completely different tools and methods to patrol the areas in which they're popular. There could be rivalries as well as team-ups, but the completely foreign nature of their methods, uniforms, etc. could be pretty cool to examine.
bagboyrebe... commented 4 years ago
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well one of the reasons I think of the net as one smaller network was because of the supercomputer. They always refer to one supecomputer on the net whereas a larger network should have more.
WeBViRuS commented 4 years ago
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Scratch that... I am so lame...
I meant one of the first ever -civilian- computers created by Steve Jobs.
WeBViRuS commented 4 years ago
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bagboyrebel: Have you been to rebootrevival.com? Go there and see how many red dots are on the placement map for the visitors to the site and where their computer was located. Now, draw a line between all of those computers, and you have a network.
Looking up the history of the internet will also explain this theory very well. Imagery did come later, as Yannick Fortin said. I see that as being the origins of the Web and the 'Net. The Network of plain text commands (like a Dos prompt for this layman) was crisp and purposeful, used only by the govornment, then came the Web, an internet with color, images interpreted by the underlying code, and then computers used by the common User.
Mainframe Ent started out with techi geeks with a good idea, so they already knew what terms to use and how to reinterpret computer thinking into a three-dimensional world.
Actually, an awesome idea would be the first ever computer created by Steve Jobs. ;D "Origin of Sprites"
bagboyrebe... commented 4 years ago
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The way I see it is the smaller network versus the entire world wide web. I think the reason it showed a map of the Earth in Daemon Rising was that the net was probably supposed to be one planet with each computer being a city/state/country and the Web was the rest of the univers(outer space).
JenKollic commented 4 years ago
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I agree with TurboFool and WeBViRuS's interpretations on this.
I always saw the Net as representing a set of networked computers, perhaps multiple sets of networked computers, (i.e. there's more than one Net) with the Web being the big, bad WWW that surrounds those connections. As WeBViRuS said, the Net is like a system of roads between systems, and the Web is the wilderness.
Alternatively, the Net could represent SSL technology, encrypted, safe connections. While the Web is standard HTTP, where anything goes.
WeBViRuS commented 4 years ago
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Oh, right...and Yannick Fortin pretty much has it nailed right there too. Bingo, dead on.
WeBViRuS commented 4 years ago
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I like TurboFool's interpretation.
Personally, I always saw the Web as the space in-between. The 'net we know of is organized, a series of interlocked computers that can intercommunicate. But what's between these systems? The edge of Beyond and the Web. That's why Daemon acquired control of it, though how exactly she ever did that was completely left out beyond "she arranged the Web creature". That line had a lot of people scratching their heads.
But there's my take on it. You know how we have huge cities with permanent roads build in between them that travel safely through all kinds of wilderness? Picture the Web to be what's around that road and in between our cities. It is the Amazon; it is the Kalahari; it is the last place you want to be stranded in on Earth, comparably. Yet even in these places where civilization wouldn't think of setting foot, life still thrives, maybe even civilizations we don't know about. Oh yeah, they're called Web Riders. ;D